St Mary's Spotlight: laws

Following is the content of a May 4, 2010 letter to Bishop Galante (emphasis is ours).  The letter, which speaks for itself, was signed by the members Newfield's Parish Council and Newfield's Core Team. The letter was publicly posted on the door of St. Rose.

 

Dear Bishop,

As members of the St. Rose of Lima Parish Council and responsible and constructive members of our local community, we wish to share with you some of the concerns about our local merger.

Change is a part of life and is to be expected in both Church and any social group or organization.

You will remember the great interest amd turnout when you arrived here for the Speak Up Sessions.  St. Rose was among the top parishes in number of attendum at these sessions.

We have cooperated fully with the deanery meetings concerning mergers.

When you announced in the Cathedral your intention for the new entity, St. Rose of Lima, Newfield, Queen of the Angels including St. Michael of Minotola and Our Lady of Victories of Landisville, St. Mary's of Malaga and Our Lady of the Lakes, Collings Lakes, under the two Co-Conveners, Fr. John Cavagnaro and Fr. Ed Namiotka, we participated in all that was required of us.

As of December 2009, we learned that Our Lady of the Lakes had been removed from the new entity and that Fr. Ed Namiotka is the sole convener.  Where things may have been bad in the past, they have now become worse.  We are concerned that we are considered part of a rebellious group.

We have experienced change with Collings Lakes now out of the mix.  The fact that the two co-conveners could not work together is known by all.

In place of moving forward, building unity and consensus, the Convener has placed us on the fast track to merge in January of 2011.  The meeting of the Parish Councils and the Core Groups ended with the Convener enraged and leaving the meeting with business unfinished.  Many questions remain unanswered.

The Convener is moving on with the merger for January.  He is having meetings just to have meetings and to get them over with.  Many questions remain unanswered with little positive outcome.  The Core Group members were picked by the Convener and some now feel like they are puppets, being told to do this or else you will be replaced. 

You must be made aware of this sham as we do not want this to reflect on you or your office.  Transparency is very important.

A January deadline with the manual not being followed, we fear will only create rebellion and lawsuits which will benefit no one.

St. Thomas More (Part IV)

Those who work against the Church by merging and closing parishes have bound themselves not to the law of god, but to the will of man.

St. Thomas More on following God above all things and resisting unjust and ungodly laws:

I never intend, God being my good Lord, to pin my soul to another man's back, not even the best man that I know this day living: for I know not where he may hap to carry it. There is no man living, of whom while he lives, I may make myself sure. Some may do for favor, and some may do for fear, and so might they carry my soul a wrong way. And some might hap to frame himself a conscience and think that, while he did it for fear, God would forgive it....

But Margaret, first, as for the law of the land, though everyone born in and inhabiting it is bound to keep it in every case under pain of some temporal punishment, and in many cases also under pain of God's displeasure, still no one is bound to swear that every law is well made, or bound under pain of God's displeasure to perform any point of the law that is actually unlawful....

I know well that if they were to make a law to do me any harm, that law could never be lawful, ...and then, as I told you, this is like a riddle, a case in which a man may lose his head and have no harm.... (From Correspondence of Sir Thomas More, pp. 521ff, emphasis added)

St. Thomas More

Wonderful excerpts from the College of St. Thomas More:

More says explicitly that no law or set of laws can totally protect the innocent (CW, vol.10, pp.163ff). Therefore, those administering the laws must treat them with the greatest respect -- but prudently, as a physician who uses all the means at his disposal to bring about a cure (CW, vol. 6, p. 261). Laws, like medicines, can be applied only by individuals; the justice that results will be proportionate to the prudence and courage and temperance of those who apply them....

Law alone, therefore, will never be enough to insure justice. More was convinced that statesmen will always be needed, good people whose words and good living persuasively teach the spirit of the laws.... Without diligent statesmen, the thickets of the law could be easily torn done and, then, [as Robert Bolt paraphrases More], who "could stand upright in the winds that would blow?" [Thomas More on Statesmanship, pp.67-70 ,210, 213]

What is scandal?

  • Is closing half the churches in the diocese "scandal?"
  • Would erecting in their place quasi-catholic megachurches be "scandal?"
  • Are corruption, greed, and lies from positions of authority within the Church "scandal?"
  • Is needlessly causing one's church to be difficult to get to physically, logistically, or psychologically, "scandal?"
  • Is closing a holy place "scandal?"
  • Is seeking personal political gain by climbing the "corporate" ecclesiastical ladder at the expense of the faithful one is charged to protect, "scandal?"
  • Is showing a complete indifference for the loss of souls, "scandal?"
  • Is directly causing a decline in Catholic faith and practice, "scandal?"
  • Is sending away priests by the dozen, discouraging seminarians, and then claiming priest shortage, "scandal?"
  • Is saying nothing in the face of wrong, "scandal?"
  • Most importantly, is watering down the Catholic Faith and claiming churches are "just buildings," just "bricks and mortar, wood and nails," "scandal?"

Here is what the Church says. From the Catechism #2285-2287:

Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his  neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obligated to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep's clothing.

Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to "social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible."* This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger, or manipulators of public opinion who turn away from moral values.

Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. "Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!"

*Pope Pius XII, 1941

News from Lousiana

For any of you who might've missed this bit of satisfying news. Yes it's from back in May but we get so much email and things forwarded it's hard to sift through it all. In any case, enjoy. (They have a new bishop now, by the way.)

Hughes, aide are sued over church
Parishioners claim they were defrauded
Wednesday, May 27, 2009
By Bruce Nolan
Staff writer
Thirteen parishioners of an Uptown Catholic parish closed after Hurricane Katrina have sued Archbishop Alfred Hughes and an aide, alleging fraud.
Parishioners from Our Lady of Good Counsel accused Hughes and the Rev. Michael Jacques of assuring them in August 2007 that their parish would remain open in a pending post-storm reorganization of the Archdiocese of New Orleans.
In addition, Hughes and Jacques allegedly set before the parishioners further achievement goals -- and to that end, the parishioners said, they increased their contributions and their work on behalf of the parish.


However, in the spring of 2008, Hughes announced that Our Lady of Good Counsel was among about three dozen parishes that would close in the archdiocesan reorganization, thus allegedly defrauding the parishioners of their money and work.
The parishioners are asking for a return of their donations to the church, with additional damages for emotional distress arising from the alleged fraud.
The lawsuit, allotted to Civil District Court Judge Lloyd Medley, names Hughes and Jacques personally but does not name the archdiocese as a defendant.
Archdiocesan spokeswoman Sarah Comiskey said the archdiocese had no comment on the lawsuit.
As a practical matter, the lawsuit has to clear a high First Amendment barrier: Secular courts historically have been extremely reluctant to render judgment on internal operations of churches. For that reason, another court last year tossed an earlier suit by Our Lady of Good Counsel alleging that under state law, Hughes did not have the authority to close their parish.
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Bruce Nolan can be reached at bnolan@timespicayun e.com or 504.826.3344. http://www.nola. com/news/ t-p/neworleans/ index.ssf? /base/news- 10/1243401763300 600.xml&coll=1


We put up this article last Oct. 27th--we did not write it ourselves. It deserves a reprinting. Take a look and see if it doesn't sound familiar. Even if you don't read the whole article, be sure to scroll down to the "Suppressing (Closing) Parishes" section, which we put in italics for you. You will see that the scandals and the agenda demonstrated by our current bishop are not new in the history of the American Catholic Church, only the latest attack on Holy Mother Church. Apparently, the power hungry nature of the American bishopric is notorious and long standing. We put in bold the most relevant information so you can easily skim. However we highly recommend you read it carefully. This article is so eerily familiar and gives important background to our current situation, despite its being written about 14 years ago. It may also be read here.

ZAP! YOUR CHURCH IS RENOVATED!
SLAM! YOUR PARISH IS CLOSED!
Duane Galles
[The following article is drawn from legal opinions and pleadings in the files of the St. Joseph Foundation. The primary contributor is Duane Galles. The editing and a small portion of the text is Charles M. Wilson's and he accepts full responsibility for any flaws.]

We know that Christ's Church is not a democracy and we acknowledge that those who exercise the ministry of governance are not accountable to those they govern. We understand also that the faithful are obliged to follow whatever legitimate authorities determine as leaders of the Church, but the above two citations--and lots of others which could be used--tell us quite a lot about the way in which ecclesiastical authority should be exercised. Unfortunately, there have been times during the 2,000 year history of our Church when these principles have been honored more in the breach than the observance. Perhaps the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council had this in mind when they said:

"By the power of the Holy Spirit the Church is the faithful spouse of the Lord and will never fail to be a sign of salvation in the world; but it is by no means unaware that down through the centuries there have been among its members, both clerical and lay, some who were disloyal to the Spirit of God. Today, as well, the Church is not blind to the discrepancy between the message it proclaims and the human weakness of those to whom the Gospel has been entrusted. Whatever is history's judgment on these shortcomings, we cannot ignore them and we must combat them earnestly, lest they hinder the spread of the Gospel" (Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World, <Gaudium et Spes>, No. 43).

When we think about this, most of us will recall those sad moments in history when priests, bishops and even some popes were guilty of grossly scandalous conduct and showed themselves to be unworthy of their offices.

But we might also consider those times when Church leaders exhibited other less spectacular weaknesses such as capriciousness, arrogance, cruelty, duplicity, intransigence and authoritarianism. When linked to conditions which have frequently permitted the exercise of power with unrestrained discretion on the part of ecclesiastical authorities, we can rightly wonder if these flaws have not over time caused more harm to the Church and the loss of more souls than the excesses of the likes of John XII, Benedict IX and Alexander VI. It is this exercise of discretionary authority by bishops or their bureaucrats which has resulted in recent heated controversies over many issues, prominent among them being--especially in the United States and Canada--the renovation of parish church buildings and the closure of parishes.

Before proceeding to the consideration of these particular issues, it would be worthwhile to take just a glance at how episcopal discretion has been exercised in the United States and those parts of Canada where English is the predominant language. Going back to the end of the eighteenth century, we see that both had very few Catholics and that, coupled with the difficulties in communication, resulted in Rome taking a more or less "out of sight, out of mind" attitude. In sum, the day-to-day governance of the dioceses was, for better or worse, left almost entirely in the hands of the bishops.

Anyone who holds a position of authority, subject only to a distant and not overly concerned higher authority, is tempted to exercise power not in a spirit of service but often arbitrarily and sometimes abusively. We see an example of this in the nineteenth century when the American bishops, at the First Plenary Council of Baltimore in 1829, attempted by decree to overstate the obligation of obedience of diocesan priests to their bishops and, in effect, reduce them to the condition of religious priests with respect to their superiors. Although, thankfully, the Holy See did intervene to suppress that decree, the bishops resourcefully employed other means to achieve the same end.

Throughout the nineteenth century, the American bishops refused to erect canonical parishes and thereby prevented diocesan priests from acquiring the rights and security of tenure conferred on pastors by the universal law of the Church. Unlike priests in the Catholic countries of Europe, their American counterparts were canonically merely rectors of missions with delegated instead of ordinary powers which could be withdrawn at the pleasure of the bishops.

Indeed, then, the power of the American bishop over his clergy was awesome. He could appoint, remove, transfer and discipline them at will. He controlled their compensation and regulated their lifestyle to an extent and in a manner that no European bishop would have dared. The situation was such that even Pope Pius IX could joke about it. When asked one day by a supplicant for a favor, the pontiff reportedly replied: "What you ask is not in my power to grant, but there is an American bishop in town. Go ask him!"

Another contributing element was the fact that not only were the American bishops subject to little restraint by the Holy See, they were not subject to the type of influence which certain civil authorities could employ in Europe. Centuries of intricate relations between state and Church on that continent resulted in many constraints upon ecclesiastical authority that were never implemented in North America. One example was the right of presentation, or the right of civil governments to propose candidates for Church offices. Even the election of popes could be influenced, as happened in this very century when the Emperor of Austria exercised his right of veto and blocked the election of Cardinal Rampolla as pope in 1903.

An important and beneficial change took place with the promulgation of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which instantly transformed the "missions" in North America into canonical parishes and thereby transformed their "rectors" into pastors, with all the protections of the law. An even more sweeping change flowed from the ecclesiology of Vatican II, which reemphasized the notion of authority as a ministry of service rather than one of power.

We see this reformed ecclesiology made present in the law in several ways. In 1967 Pope Paul VI in his apostolic constitution, <Regimini Ecclesiae Universae,> created the Second Section of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura to enforce the rights of Christ's faithful even against public ecclesiastical authorities. Sixteen years later, the revised Code of Canon Law, in contrast to its predecessor, codified the rights and duties of the faithful. Perhaps the most important of the 1752 canons in the new Code is number 128, which states that "Anyone who unlawfully inflicts damage upon someone by a juridic act, or indeed by any other act placed with malice or culpability, is obliged to compensate for the damage inflicted." This means that the arbitrary and capricious use of discretionary power is no longer acceptable under the 1983 Code.

The Effects Of The Reforms

While the reforms of Vatican II and the 1983 Code look good on paper, the sad fact is that one can see few positive changes on the parish and diocesan level. Aside from the historical reality that change sometimes takes place very slowly in the Church, our conclusion is that there are three reasons for this: (1) Since Vatican II, the concept of "collegiality" has become something of an obsession and the Holy See has been extremely reluctant to interfere-even when there are good reasons to do so-in diocesan affairs. (2) Too many bishops in the United States and Canada have allowed their authority to be undermined by "experts" on their staffs. (3) The canon 221, 3 of the 1983 Code stated that the "Christian faithful can legitimately vindicate and defend the rights which they enjoy in the Church before a competent ecclesiastical court in accord with the norm of law," but the Code says very little as to how this theoretical right can be put into practice.

There are others who have come to similar conclusions, not all of whom may share our theological views. One, for example, was Fr. Joseph A. Komonchak, Associate Professor of Religion and Religious Education at the Catholic University of America, who said;

"More than a few lay people have noted that their rights to participation in the Church have not always been better respected by the addition to the traditional clerical hierarchy of a new and larger body of "professionals" and "experts". It is an occupational hazard of bureaucrats to believe that they know better than the people in the field how things should be done. And if they turn to management theories elaborated for business and government for ideas on how to plan for the Church's future, it is not surprising to hear complaints that the Church appears much more like a giant and impersonal organization than like a living community of brothers and sisters-a complaint, by the way, that by no means is aimed only at episcopal or papal targets" (<Origins>, April 2, 1987, p. 378).

A prominent American canonist has added a legal dimension to Fr. Komonchak's observation and applied it to parishes, which are often the victims of those "professionals" and "experts."

"Parishes and other local congregations are not branch offices or local outlets of a central corporation, like banks or auto agencies or service stations. They are unique communities of Christian people. They are authentic Churches, just like those described in the New Testament (in Jerusalem, in Antioch, in Corinth, in Ephesus), and they must be respected as such. The Church is "built up from below" by these local communities of God's people...

Sometimes the impression is given that the parishes exist for the sake of the diocese, when just the opposite is true. The organization and governance of the Church is most often stated and interpreted by those in diocesan offices. They subtly begin to believe that their functions are primary, and that they represent the first and most important level of the Church's life' since they are more immediately related to the bishop's authority. They gradually come to consider parish communities as derivative and secondary, almost as managerial units. They speak of planning for "clusters of parishes" or "pastoral zones of the diocese" (meaning that they are preparing to suppress or merge parishes) and of reorganizing local communities for reasons of more efficient use of personnel and financial resources. [In a footnote, the author adds, Economy and efficiency are praiseworthy, but the dignity and quality of local communities is even more important. Ed.] They relate to the local churches in the same ways that corporate executives of Safeway and McDonalds relate to their local stores.

No one is baptized in a chancery office. People enter the Church, grow in faith, give praise to God, and lend loving assistance to their neighbors in parishes and other local communities. These local congregations of the faithful have a proper and authentic autonomy which must be respected> ("The Vindication of Parish Rights," by James A. Coriden, <The Jurist> 54 (1994), pp. 23-24).

Much more along these same lines could be said, but we believe Frs. Komonchak and Coriden have adequately and fairly summarized, for the purposes of this discussion, the atmosphere that prevails in the majority of dioceses in North America.

Renovation Of Church Buildings

We must admit that church buildings are places of worship, not museums, and that hardly any, including St. Peter's Basilica, never undergo some changes. Even so, the many "horror stories" in our case files and those we have seen elsewhere confirm that most "renovations" go far beyond--and in some cases are even contrary to--the legal norms. And this is not a problem that has arisen recently. Almost twenty five years ago, the Holy See issued the following sound advice: "<Mindful of the legislation of Vatican Council II and of the directives in the documents of the Holy See, bishops are to exercise unfailing vigilance to ensure that the remodeling of places of worship is carried out with the utmost caution>" (Congregation for Clergy, Circular Letter <Opera artis>, April 11, 1971).

Virtually all renovation projects are grounded in what the parishioners are told are the needs of the reformed Vatican II liturgy. In fact, they are often motivated by erroneous interpretations of liturgical law arising from the Council's Constitution on the Liturgy, <Sacrosanctum concilium> (SC). Three key concepts of SC, it seems, are commonly misinterpreted and misapplied. This, in turn, has motivated the iconoclasm and destruction of so much cultural church property in the United States and Canada.

The first key concept which has been misinterpreted and misapplied is <participatio actuosa> of SC. It has been mistranslated as "active participation" which, in English, can imply that for participation to be genuine it must involve physical activity. For a proper understanding of the phrase, one can paraphrase the original Latin of the 1958 instruction, <De musica sacra>, to say that participation ought to be internal and, certainly, exercised with a spirit of piety and heartfelt affection. Given this understanding of the concept, "actual participation" might be a more accurate translation. In any event, the liturgical "establishment's" understanding has had pernicious consequences, such as the attentive assistance at Mass and participation in the changes in posture or responses being dismissed by some liturgists as inadequate. Thus, communion rails are destroyed, altars thrust forward like theaters-in-the-round, statues are removed and the Blessed Sacrament banished, since their presence would inhibit a maximum of activity, which inevitably deteriorates into mere busyness.

The second concept misinterpreted is that of <nobilis pulchritudo> (noble beauty) of Article 124 of SC, which has often been translated as "noble simplicity." In the name of "simplicity," altars have been smashed, statues trashed, paintings whitewashed, organs silenced and the ignoble--burlap vestments and crude ceramic vessels, for example--introduced into the temple to serve as its ornaments.

The third concept misunderstood is that of the common priesthood of the laity. In advancing this notion beyond its proper scope, some liturgists demand the abolition of any distinctions whatever between the sacred minister and the laity. Thus, any physical barriers between them are taboo. Communion rails are especially hated and any physical reminder of a "holy of holies" must go, so hordes of lay functionaries can swarm in and out of the "sanctuary."

In addition to the physical renovations themselves, the methods by which they are inflicted are of equal or even greater concern. The "process" leading up to the actual arrival of the bulldozers begins with the appearance of the ubiquitous "experts" and "professionals" who tell the people only what they are supposed to hear. Glossy, one-sided hand-outs are distributed at "listening sessions" while the people are assured that "no final decisions have been made." Usually, a renovation committee consisting of carefully selected parishioners emerges' to announce the final plans, while any alternative suggestions or proposals are stifled by whatever methods-gentle or not so gentle-that circumstances require. There are no credible estimates that we know of as to how much money has been wasted over the last thirty years on needless renovations of North American church buildings, but it must be in the hundreds of millions, or perhaps billions, of dollars.

To close this part of the discussion on a hopeful note, there is a rather remote but growing possibility that (if our prayers are answered) most of the renovations may eventually have to be undone. The first signs of a true "reform of the reform" may have appeared and are reported on page two of this issue. Should this come to pass, even more billions will be needed to set things right. But, we suspect, the people will not mind putting up the money.

Suppressing (Closing) Parishes

Just as we admitted that places of worship cannot remain unchanged forever, we must concede that not every parish has a right to perpetual existence. Acknowledging this general rule, though, does not mean that we have to agree with every suppression decreed by every chancery.

There is one very important difference between renovating church buildings and suppressing parishes. Buildings, of course, do not in themselves have rights and the renovation, or even destruction, of a parish church does not alter the legal status of the parish, which has what is called a juridic personality. In other words, a juridic person in canon law is roughly equivalent to a corporation in secular law. And like a corporation, a juridic person has rights and duties under the law. The primary and fundamental right of any person, natural or legal, is to existence. Father Coriden puts it this way:

"Once a stable community of faithful people has taken shape, it has the right to canonical recognition (e.g., first as a mission or quasi-parish, then as a parish; c. 516). Once established as a parish, the community possesses juridic personality and is, nature sue perpetual (cc. 515, #3; 120, #1). In other words, the parish should remain in existence until overwhelming reasons for its alteration or suppression are clearly demonstrated."

After hearing about or becoming directly involved in parish suppression cases throughout the country, we have yet to see a single example of "overwhelming" reasons. Indeed, virtually all suppressions--and absolutely all which are contested by the parishioners--are justified on the basis of a shortage of priests, more efficient use of facilities, even distribution of people, financial considerations or other factors which have little or nothing to do with the vitality of the community.

Sometimes the reasons given for suppression make no sense at all. For example, the city of Clinton, Iowa, in the Diocese of Davenport used to have five parishes. In 1990, all five were suppressed and one "mega parish" was created in their place. The bishop's letter announcing and attempting to support the action said this:

"And yet, I see that the needs of the past, e.g., for ethnic parishes, are not the needs of today. In fact, the need for unity and united action are the paramount needs of today. (*Almost the exact same thing was stated in this week's Star Herald -Julie)

In other words, five parishes competing for people, funds and personnel is not what the Catholic community needs."

In truth, none of the five parishes was "ethnic" and all were vibrant communities of faith. No one in Clinton has ever understood why their city could not have more than one parish when other cities in the diocese (Davenport, Iowa City, Muscatine, etc.) continue to have several. No one in the chancery has ever been able to explain why either.

Although renovations and suppressions are different kinds of actions, the "process" leading up to them is often remarkably similar. The ever-present "professionals" and "expert consultants" arrive to "soften-up" the parishioners with unctuous assurances that "no decisions will be made without everyone having their say." Then, as in the case of renovations, all those who have opinions contrary to the outcome desired by the chancery are marginalized or excluded from the discussions by whatever means necessary. We have even seen instances where elderly parishioners were threatened with denial of Christian burial if they continued to object.

Should the consultation process produce recommendations which the bishop does not like, such as recently happened in the diocese of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, he simply rides roughshod over the procedures he himself established and decrees whatever he wishes.

In short, the decisions to suppress are utterly lacking in reasonable motives and the "consultation processes" lack even a scintilla of justice. The ultimate injustice occurs when a parish suffers the "double whammy" of being forced to renovate its church and then, several years later, being suppressed.

In Conclusion

In spite of the discouraging trends, there are reasons for hope. One of these reasons is that many of the courageous faithful who try to save their churches from the renovators or their parishes from the axe simply refuse to give up. Even when they lose, as often happens, their efforts are not wasted. We know of cases where renovations were prevented and parishes slated for suppression were saved because the "professionals" did not want to face another struggle which might even involve an appeal to Rome.

And who knows? With enough prayer and hard work, we may even see in our lifetime a system of appeal which will see cases decided on the law and the facts instead of ecclesiastical politics and influence peddling.

Have you ever read the Mercer Mayer book, The Queen Always Wanted to Dance? I recommend it, even if you don't have kids. The gist of the story is this:

Because he thinks the Queen is unseemly, the King enacts an unjust law forbidding dancing. He follows it up with a similarly unjust law forbidding singing. Nobody wants to be miserable, so finally the entire town winds up in jail. Here are some excerpts:

Hardly anyone in the kingdom was happy about the new law, except a few people who thought dancing was a silly waste of time. They patted the King on the back and said, "Your Majesty, you surely are a wise king." And the King was happy because he was certain the Queen would behave properly now.

But the Queen decided that even if she couldn't dance she could sing.

He passed another law which read, "Singing is forbidden in my kingdom, and that includes the Queen. Signed, The King."

Now the milkmaid couldn't sing when she milked the royal cows. The royal chickens stopped laying eggs altogether....But most important of all, the Queen couldn't sing, because even a queen must obey the law.
"Singing is against the law! You're under arrest!"
The king was happy again. The few people who didn't like dancing didn't like singing either, so they were happy again.

"What do you think of my new law?" the King asked the Queen.

She just smiled and said, "Now you've gone too far."


And almost everyone agreed with her.

As the scullery maid mopped the royal floor, she whispered to herself, "This time the King has gone too far."

While the milkmaid churned the royal butter, she whispered to herself, "This time the King has gone too far."

Even in libraries, where no one is supposed to talk, people whispered, "This time the King has most certainly gone too far."

And the whispering was getting louder. But the very few people who thought that singing and dancing were a silly waste of time, patted the King on the back and said, "We like the new laws, Your Majesty."

The King marched everybody... to jail, where they all sang and danced and had a wonderful party.
The King marched everybody...to jail, where they all sang and danced and had a wonderful party.

By this time the King wasn't sure whether he was happy or not. He didn't like all this whispering. But after all, the law is the law.

All night long he tossed and turned. He felt lonely. Finally he could stand it no longer. "I think I've gone too far," he mumbled.
[By this time the Queen had already arrested herself because she would rather sing and dance in prison than be free and miserable.]

He threw back the sheets, sang a song off key, and danced...down to the jail. He opened the door and crept in. Everyone, even the Queen, stopped singing and dancing and stared at him in disbelief.

"I arrest myself," he announced meekly.

[After that the king changed the law and everyone lived happily ever after, except the people who didn't like to sing or dance and just liked to pat the king on the back.]

Well, here in the Diocese of Camden, we also have an unpopular "new law," and almost no one in the Diocese is happy about it. It seems we also have a "king" who's gone way too far. We hope that, like the king in the story, after losing way too much sleep because his conscience weighs so heavily on him, he one day wakes up and says to himself, "I think I've gone too far."
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I was in Euchristic Adoration yesterday and toward the end of my hour the woman mentioned in the story, Christina Thomasello, approached me inquiring about our church. We'd never met before. Ms. Thomasello just happened to be driving down Route 40 and noticed St. Mary's, and did a U-turn. She was nothing less than amazed. She told me, "This is the most beautiful church I've ever seen!" All I could say was, "I know!"

As it turns out, she and a group of people unhappily find themselves at the center of a controversy. You see, a diverse bunch of people from the Atlantic City area, including people without a thing in the world to call their own or problems none of us wish to face, have been unwittingly transformed by God. Somehow, God drew this unlikely group of people together in their common effort to restore a lovely shrine to Our Lady of Lourdes at Our Lady Star of the Sea.


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Ms. Thomasello showed me a copy of the newspaper article and relayed to me the group's interest not in changing anything at the church or shrine, but in finding out what it once looked like and helping to fix it up. Many in this group have contributed plants, stonework, and a heck of a lot of labor. All this they gave from their own time and effort without any expectation of repayment, just because they wanted to. Strangely, they have encountered much resistence to their efforts from the pastor, Rev. Pham. In their attempts to win his heart, they purchased from their own pockets a lovely statue of St. Bernadette, now the center of this seemingly ridiculous controversy, and had it sent to the rectory as a gift. Of course this strikes us as really odd since people donate things to St. Mary's all the time, eveything from stained glass windows to handywork to statues in the rosary garden to plants to small statues placed around the church. Our shrine room is bursting at the seems with beautiful statues, pictures, and relics of the saints.

Of course, Andy Walton has to chime in with a typically bizarre comment or two. "There's no history of that," (meaning no history of the shrine being dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes) as if he would have any familiarity with the histor of this parish anyway. (The man lives in Pennsylvania.) But isn't this beside the point? Whatever happened to courtesy? Why alienate the Catholic faithful by rejecting the gift of their time, talents, and gifts?

One has to wonder if the group of people involved were wealthy and influential, the Diocese would look quite differently upon them. With all this talk about wanting to transform the Diocese of Camden's churches into places that throb with "social justice ministries," it seems particularly ironic that they would allow a group of disaffected people to be treated so rudely. And all this talk about trying to win back lapsed Catholics, you would think a thing like this would warm the hearts of the Galante administration. Huh. Guess not.

Mr. Walton concludes with, "It's not her shrine." That's interesting. In my conversation with Thomasello she was mystified by the implication that she believed the shrine belonged to her. However it struck us that if in this "process" of "transforming" the Diocese was to be influenced by the "voice of the people," (which nobody I know truly believes,) then whose churches are they? Whose shrines are they? In the end, they ought to belong to the people who care for them, pray at them, and love them.

But of course, all this talk has nothing to do with politics or property value...


Article below:
 


Church officials say there is no evidence the shrine at Our Lady Star of the Sea in Atlantic City is dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes. But Christina Thomasello is looking for photos to prove otherwise.

Photo by: Danny Drake

There's an unwelcome guest at a local church rectory: St. Bernadette.

Standing 2 feet tall, a stone statue of the saint sits behind locked doors in the rectory offices.

And because of a spat about a nearby shrine, she has become an unlikely hostage.

When a parishioner at Our Lady Star of the Sea in Atlantic City paid for the statue to be delivered to the parish office earlier this spring, she says, she had hoped to see the figure placed at an outdoor shrine on the church's grounds.

But instead, Christina Thomasello says her prayer for a completed shrine to Our Lady of Lourdes has been derailed.

The pastor there, the Rev. Joseph Pham, disagrees with her plan to build a shrine in a way he says detracts from the church's identity.

And so, when St. Bernadette arrived by priority mail in March, Pham did not put her at the shrine. He held on to her.

"This is a situation where a priest has to balance the need to maintain the integrity of the shrine with the desires of some of the parishioners," said Andy Walton, spokesman for the Catholic Diocese of Camden, who expressed support for Pham's actions.

At the heart of the dispute -- and what keeps Bernadette in a holding pattern -- is a split between local Catholics, who see two interpretations of what the shrine represents.

Stop by the site, at the corner of Atlantic and California avenues, and you will see a tall, pale statue of the Virgin Mary standing in a stone alcove.

A nearby sign says the stone basin by the guardrail contains water from Lourdes, France -- where a peasant girl, Bernadette Soubirous, claimed to see a repeated vision of the Virgin Mary in 1858. Faithful pilgrims now flock to that original site, often in hopes of healing.

But alongside that basin at the Atlantic City site sit decorative anemone and conch shells, clues that the shrine, like the parish, may be dedicated to Our Lady Star of the Sea. The name refers to the Virgin Mary and remains popular in areas with sea-faring heritage.

Thomasello, who refers to the shrine as Our Lady of Lourdes, insisted recently that her motives were to bring the shrine back to its former glory. "I wanted to restore it," she said on a recent afternoon, as she and fellow parishioners Horace Robinson and Robert Carpo Jr. met at the shrine, which she noted dates back to the 1930s.

But other parishioners were not so sure. Mary McConnell, who stopped by the shrine just before noon Sunday, said the Lourdes tributes -- which also include prayer cards and articles about purported miracles performed in France -- were recent additions. "I think they started showing up in December," McConnell said.

Walton said there is no evidence the site is dedicated to the apparitions at Lourdes. "There's no history of that," he said Saturday.

As for allowing Thomasello or others to place a statue there, he said that would open the door to any parishioner customizing a public shrine at their own expense.

"It's not her shrine," Walton said.

As far as Thomasello's hopes to reclaim the statue, Raymond Daiutolo Sr., southern New Jersey representative for the U. S. Postal Service, said laws on mail do not help her case.

Whether or not the package had been addressed to her by name, Daiutolo said, the fact that it was sent to a church -- which qualifies as a business -- meant it could legally be held by staff at the rectory office. "If someone has mail sent to a business address, those mail items technically belong to the business," he said.

Statues of St. Bernadette are big sellers for catalogs that cater to the religious community: Stone or ceramic versions of the saint, traditionally depicted kneeling in prayer, can go for as much as $100.

Walton said Saturday that Pham now wants Thomasello to come and pick up her Bernadette.

Thomasello was not available to respond to that invitation Sunday.

But she previously said she had been searching for photos, which may solve the mystery of the shrine's identity.

"I've heard that there used to be metal letters over the top of the shrine," she said. "We want to know what they said."

If local historians have photos that show a historic Lourdes link, that might allow the homeless St. Bernadette statue to settle there.

But until then, Walton said, the statue was unwanted. "Right now, to have two identities here -- that's just confusing."

E-mail Juliet Fletcher:

JFletcher@pressofac.com


Here's yet another letter to the editor. We've missed many, we know. (Thanks everybody for sending in all your letters and links.) Certainly the Courier Post doesn't publish everything it could, by any stretch of the imagination, since they seem to be in the Chancery's pocket. Shameful. In any case, here's the link, and the text is below. (By the way, this is a truly excellent letter, Mr. Malloy, and really hits the nail on the head.)

Everything's so shiny
Everything's so shiny...

Corporation

CourierPostOnline.com • October 24, 2008

Re: "Trust" (letters, Sept. 25).

The problem is that Megachurches promote and empty, consumerist spirituality that leaves no room for self-reflection. Or that's what they say.
-Some blog commenter named "Kylark"
coffee


Over at savestmarys, we do not enjoy having to deal with news pieces like this one, but really they make our job easier. This article profiles St. Joseph's "Catholic" McMegaChurch in Richardson, Texas, a church the bishop would like to replicate here in South Jersey.

About 1,500 miles away, officials at the Diocese of Camden want to promote this type of vibrant parish. As part of a planned diocesan makeover...
Here it is in black and white, guys. This is what we're in store for. A "makeover." Yippee! We, too can look just like that cool Church of the Future down in Texas. Wait'll you see what's in store for us lucky Catholics. New buildings with new ideas and new priorities...

 Ironically, in an effort to assuage the fears of Mr. and Miss Average Catholic In the Pews, the Courier Post has done a really good job of confirming that our worst fears about what Bishop Galante and Friends have up their sleeves are true. The prospect that Bishop Galante would want to replicate mega"churches" with labyrinths and cappuccino bars here in South Jersey is a repulsive thought. Why in the world he believes that by instituting flaky, liberal "spirit-trends," souls will be saved is beyond me. Promoting the culture of the world at a supposedly Catholic church and reveling in what one can only imagine constitutes a frequent lack of reverence is simply appalling. Yet the pastor at St. Joe's, Msgr. Fischer,  says,

When people come here, there's a level of energy. It's like walking into a mall at Christmas.

Huh? Is that supposed to make us want to go to this church? Is he off his nut? I for one would like to know the last time that Msgr. Fischer was actually at a mall at Christmastime. These are places that most sane people avoid like the plague. Unless, of course, he is referring to the buzz that certain CEOs might get around Christmastime at the prospect of people willingly parting with their hard-earned money only to get some useless trinkets and doo-dads to fill stockings and gift bags.

Problematic article? Yeah. (But since no one wants a church like that, he did our work for us!)

Our problem with the article? Well first of all, the article fails in the journalistic integrity department generally because it is a puff piece. It is nothing but a piece of advertising for Bishop Galante and Company, and if I was Jim Walsh I'd be embarrassed by the fact that I'd compromised my professional standards. The article does not attempt to promote a balanced view of the megachurch, dissenting opinions, or even a hint of a critical stance toward the Bishop Galante and his plans. (Wonder what in the world the Courier Post, or should we call it "The Other Catholic Star Herald," could be getting in return for this kind of coverage?)

Of course, plenty of scholarship is available on the pluses and minuses of the megachurch at this point, but not a one was touched by Jim Walsh of the CP. Here are a couple of scholars Mr. Walsh could have contacted. Quote from 2005 ABC piece:


Mega-churches are booming all over the country, not just in the South.

Scott Thumma, a theologian at Hartford Seminary, compares the phenomenon to shopping at a place like Wal-Mart.

"Just as if you go to a Wal-Mart, you can get all of your lists done in one place, it's sort of one-stop shopping for spirituality as well," Thumma said.

Randall Balmer, a theology professor at Barnard College in New York says [of mega-congregations], "It is in many ways consumerism run amok."

In contrast, here's a perfect example of more Courier Post pandering:

One more difference between the regions [South Jersey and Dallas, Texas]: Galante, who often draws angry protests with his controversial plans for parish mergers in the Camden diocese, is recalled with fondness at St. Joseph.

"You tell that bishop we miss him here," barked head usher Chuck Maltese of Wylie, Texas, a retired New York City policeman.


How funny is that? First he says we're "angry" protesters. Now why in the world should we be angry? Guess we're too hormonal again. Oh well! Maybe we should have just handed over the keys and deeds to our churches cuz Bishop asked nice and said he'd give us a latte.  (I like hazelnut, no whipped cream. Although I can't afford those kinds of fancy drinks myself!) Honestly, if barking head usher Chuck Maltese would like Bishop Galante back in Texas, I just know we in the Diocese of Camden would be only too happy to oblige. Heck, we'd pay his one-way fare back and he can bring along Ms. Vollmer and Msgr. McGrath for company, too. On us! First class all the way. (No plastic utensils, and real dishes.)

It's rather odd that the CP would make the claim that Bishop Galante is widely loved and missed in Texas considering we at savestmarys have received more than a few unsolicited emails from disgruntled Texans claiming Galante mangled their diocese in more ways than one. Could you imagine the sordid tales we'd hear if we actually bothered picking up the phone to initiate contact ourselves? We simply haven't gotten around to that yet, but we'd certainly appreciate hearing the stories of the Catholics in Texas who are still picking up the pieces.

Depressing, ain't it?

Aside from the article itself, it's just plain depressing that too many "Catholic" churches are are deviating from the Truth in that they are so susceptible to superficial novelties, and that some pastors and bishops are leading their sheep astray. However Jim Walsh makes finding flaws in this "model church" way too easy, and judging from the comments on the Courier Post website, no one seems to think of this church as something in any way desirable, nor are they buying the ridiculous stats spewed by the Diocese.

In holding up this parish Bishop Galante's true intentions become very clear. It seems he wants to dismiss Catholicism as we've known it and institute something utterly different in its place. Something worldly, something that resembles what's going on in many trendy evangelical protestant churches. Something that embraces aspects of extreme liberalism and new age-iness. Something that dumbs down and dilutes our faith. Something that appeals to no real Catholic.

Keeping up with the culture

From a 2005 ABC News article dealing with the new consumerist megachurches, a parent is quoted:

"You know, the culture is giving our kids a lot of fast-paced media and all different things that are moving along," she said. "Why can't the church keep up and do the same thing for our kids and for us?"
There's an easy answer for that one, actually. As Christians we are to be in the world but not of it. It is not the responsibility of the Church to keep pace with modern American culture. It is the responsibility of the Church to preach and teach the Good News of Jesus Christ, whether or not that conforms to our "lifestyle." How many times did Our Lord tell us that He and His Kingdom were not of this world (John 18:36)? Further in St. Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians (2:12-14):

Now we have received not the spirit of this world, but the Spirit that is of God; that we may know the things that are given us from God. Which things also we speak, not in the learned words of human wisdom; but in the doctrine of the Spirit, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of the Spirit of God; for it is foolishness to him, and he cannot understand, because it is spiritually examined.
How many times must we be exhorted not to conform ourselves to the things of this world, for it is passing, but God is eternal?

And be not conformed to this world; but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what is the good, and the acceptable, and the perfect will of God. (Romans 12:2)

Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him. (1John 2:15)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that includes lattes and biscotti.

A few interesting things about the church

Interior: If you check out the church's website and look at the pictures of the interior, you'll notice it's very spare and there are almost no paintings, statues, or images of the saints, holy angels, or the Blessed Mother at all. You can barely tell this hideously ugly and cold church is Catholic at all. Don't these "Stations of the Cross" look inviting? Is there even a figure of Christ on or near that cross? Who in the heck would want to "meditate" here? To each his own, I guess, but I just don't get it.

ugly stations

Cremation: Like the parishes in Florida (churches St. John the Evangelist and St. Agnes), St. Joe's seems to advocate the non-traditional practice of cremation, to the point of having something called a "Columbarium Wall" where ashes may be interred in little niches. It's pretty darn ugly. The Columbarium Wall surrounds the labyrinth. (For those of you who aren't aware, cremation is hugely popular among liberal eco-types because it takes up less space.)

columbarium
Screen shot from church website. The "Columbarium" is that round wall.
I have no idea what the pagoda thingy in the top picture is. Maybe it's just a pagoda. Who knows.

Music: The choir has a CD with the predictable David Haas and Marty Hogan emotional tripe, as well as a "Zulu" song. Yay! How multi-cultural of them. At least now all the Zulus in their parish will feel welcome.

Eastern Stuff: You'll be happy to know they also have "Thai Chi Chih" available.

Questionable Curricula: Interestingly, the catechetical materials they've chosen to use over there have been given a "yellow" or caution rating by catholicculture.org, who "recommend[s] that you avoid Why Catholic." Quote:

Philip Blosser provides a perfect summary when he worries that the program is "designed by revisionists whose devious aim is to use their small group approach to refract ecclesial focus, to undermine magisterial authority, to democratize the Catholic message, to continue the AmChurch decentralization of Catholic Church in America, to continue the process of protestantizing and revising the Church and detaching her from the only moorings she has in her own traditions. . . ."
"Barista MInistry" (Really, I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried): Not only does St. Joe's have a cappuccino bar, they have a page on their website dedicated to coffee.

 cappuccino bar
Doesn't this cappuccino and latte cafe just scream "church" to you?
And just look at all the young people it draws.

A Response from non-practicing Catholics

Here's where our coverage of this story will take a turn for the odd. Tonight after work I popped over to my younger sister's house to borrow a couple of Disney videos for my kids, to kiss my new baby niece, and to chat for a few minutes. About an hour later, as I was turning to leave, I just happened to mention this piece in the Courier Post about "a mega[Catholic] Church that the bishop seems to want to replicate here in South Jersey, which has a cappuccino bar."

Now keep in mind that my sister, who is 28, and her husband, who is 32, were both raised Catholic. But, not uncommonly, they are both completely non-practicing. My older niece, who has just begun first grade, has never even been baptized. Other than to attend the baptisms of my own children and the occasional funeral, to the best of my knowledge, she hasn't darkened the doorway of a church in at least five years. She has her own reasons, I know, but we don't talk much about them. The point is, we couldn't be more polar opposite on the religion issue, unless maybe she was a rabid atheist or something.

Without so much as the blink of an eye, the two of them--my sister and brother-in-law--went off. They found the prospect of what a church like this could be, could look like, could morph into, etc. absurd and funny. What struck me most about what follows is that the very audience Galante and Company is trying to entice--the lapsed Catholics, the young families,  professionals, etc.--are the very people who see right through all the crap. People like my sister and her husband, who don't like BS. If there was a possibility of ever being religious, they'd prefer their religion to not be mixed up in materialism. So I thought I'd share some of this [admittedly irreverent at times] rapid-fire back-and-forth between my sister and her husband with you, just to give you an idea of how truly ineffectual all this "nonsense" is. Honestly, I was laughing really hard. They definitely "got it," and with zero prompting by me.

Warning: Extreme Sarcasm Ahead!!!
The easily offended should not read, but if you want an idea of how "the world" thinks of all this ridiculousness, read on.


Brother-in-law, Fred: Cappuccino bar. You mean, like Starbuck's?
Me: "Well, yeah. I assume so. I've definitely heard of evangelical churches with actual Starbuck's inside. This church in Texas has a cappuccino bar."
F: "Well, before I pray, do I have to stand in line?"
Sister, B: "Do I get a receipt after I do my penance?"
F: "Is the holy water in a coin-operated 'spritz' dispenser?
Ya know, like those perfume things?"

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B: "Are there waiters going around with trays, like at a cocktail party, with hosts on them?"
F: "Is there a food court?"
Me: "I've heard that they also offer Zen meditation there."
F&B: Completely blank stares. F says, "In a Catholic church???"
Me: "They have a
labyrinth."
B: "Is
David Bowie gonna be there?"
Me: Hysterically laughing

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F: "Is there tax on my religion?"
F: "Ya know the people they're trying to impress? The people who go to church like once a year at Christmas. You know I have no problem with 'real' Catholics, ya know, the people who really practice and really believe in it. But those people who go once a year and then say that they're Catholic? What the hell, they're not really Catholic. It isn't going to make a bit of difference to those types anyway."
B: (Goes on...) "Do you have to put a quarter in the confessional to get the door to open? Do the hosts have an imprint of the Nike swoosh on them?"
F: "Does the organist have a tip jar? Does he take requests?"
B: "Do they have a virtual reality 'do your own mass,' or 'be your own pope' kinda thing? You know, eventually it'd be a drive-through church. You don't even have to get outta your car. You know, you go to the first window for confession, you go to the second window to get your penance, and the third window to get communion."
F: (He adds) "But you have to pay. This s--t ain't free."
F: "They could also have reclining pews, like Lazyboys. Hey, does the priest down there have a ponytail?"

Offensive? Maybe. But this is the road that Bishop Galante and those who think like him are heading down. Materialism and worldliness have no place in the Church. It appeals to no one with any real depth. And why should they try to go head-to-head with the evangelical protestant churches with coffee bars, chain restaurants, and edutainment for "worship?" Anyone who leaves the Bark of St. Peter for a church that offers such things either has no real understanding of the Faith, has deep disagreements with it, or just wants a place to hang out. Why compete with the superficiality offered elsewhere when what you've got is the Truth, whole and uncompromised?! Even my completely non-religious brother-in-law recognizes that you cannot go half-way with your faith. By his way of thinking, only "real" Catholics, whose churches lack silliness, are deserving of respect. I for one found this interesting, but not too surprising. Why waste your time with religion if what is offered in a church is also offered at the mall?

(And no, in case you were wondering, we don't need alcohol to have a laugh. We're naturally silly.)

Here are a few more reactions to the article today:
  • "Yeah, I'm sure that people were thinking, 'That's what's been missing from my church experience--cappuccino."
  • "If the mall is such a hoppin' place, maybe the diocese ought to open up its own chain store called, 'McCatholic.' Ya know, a one-stop religion shop."
To wrap things up

If ya really must walk a labyrinth--umm, sorry, I meant to say "the divine imprint birthed through the human psyche and passed down through the ages"--to connect with "that which is within" there's apparently one here at the Episcopalian church in Longport. Of course, just about any self-respecting Unitarian Universalist church would have a labyrinth, too. Take your pick. And probably the greatest lovers of the labyrinth, the pagans, are profiled here. Snippet:

Seventeen people stood around the center of the outdoor labyrinth at the Unitarian Universalist Congregation in Frederick Tuesday, ready to welcome the coming of the winter solstice. A hazy moon hung in the sky and distant lights from Frederick city lightened the darkness of the labyrinth -- a center circle marked in the ground with nine concentric rings circling it. Sea Raven, a Unitarian Universalist pagan, led the group in meditation as they walked around the labyrinth and sang to the beat of a drum...

CP Letter to the Editor

Quote:

...Most likely, there are unsettled lawsuits out there for the Catholic Church and a great deal of money is needed immediately. It is sad religion has come to this. It's all about the money.

Hopefully, Bishop Joseph Galante will change his mind while there is still time.


Read it here.

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